Geron (GERN) 7 Nov 242024 Q3 Earnings call transcript

Hello, and welcome to the Geron Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Aron Feingold, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications.

You may begin.

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Geron Corporation Third Quarter 2021 Earnings Conference Call. I am Aaron Feingold, Geron's Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. I'm joined today by several members of Geron's management team, Dr. John Scarlett, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; Michelle Robertson, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Jim Ziegler, Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer; Dr. Feller, Executive Vice President and Chief Medical Officer; and Dr. Andrew Grethlein, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer.

Before we begin, please note that during the course of this presentation and question-and-answer session, we will be making forward-looking statements regarding future events, performance, plans, expectations and other projections including those relating to the launch, commercial opportunity and therapeutic potential of RYTELO, anticipated clinical and commercial events and related time lines, the sufficiency of Geron's financial resources and other statements that are not historical facts. Actual events or results could differ materially. Therefore, I refer you to the discussion under the heading Risk Factors in Geron's recent periodic report filed with the SEC, which identifies important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those contained in the forward-looking statements and our future updates to those risk factors. Geron undertakes no duty or obligation to update our forward-looking statements. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chip. Chip?

Thanks, Aron. Good morning to everybody on the call. Thanks for joining us today.

Following the FDA approval and the commercial launch of RYTELO, our first-in-class [indiscernible] inhibitor, this has been a transformative year for Geron.

As a result, we believe we're well positioned to build long-term commercial value with this product. In our first full quarter on the market in the United States, we achieved $28.2 million in RYTELO net product revenue. which exceeded our expectations. The initial quarter of product revenue speaks to our execution as a commercial company as well as the high unmet need in lower risk MDS and the compelling value proposition of RYTELO for hematologists and patients. This gives us confidence in future continued demand and momentum for RYTELO.

Our strong IP position underlies the long-term commercial value proposition for ITE. We believe this IP position, including specific claims and our patents covering the indication that's in our FDA label and buttressed by the FDA's granted orphan drug exclusivity for lower-risk MDS into June of 2031, will provide exclusivity in the United States through August of 2037. Today, our primary focus is on continuing to deliver on the initial success we achieved in the third quarter, getting RYTELO to more eligible lower-risk MDS patients and maximizing our opportunity in the U.S. market.

In Europe, we believe that the CHMP review of our RYTELO marketing authorization application in lower-risk MDS could be completed in late 2024 or early 2025 with potential EU approval in the first half of 2025. Subject to receiving this approval, we're continuing to prepare for the potential launch of RYTELO in the EU and are planning to commercialize RYTELO in select EU markets beginning in 2026.

As all of you know, Jim Ziegler joined us as Chief Commercial Officer in early September. Jim hit the ground running and on this call, we'll provide more color on the third quarter U.S. commercial launch performance, key imperatives for our continued success and our next steps in preparing for potential EU commercialization.

In addition to this quarter's strong commercial performance, we were pleased to announce this morning a completion of both the synthetic royalty transaction and a debt financing transaction that together generated $250 million in gross proceeds.

These transactions were comprised of $125 million capped synthetic royalty with Royalty Pharma and a $250 million committed senior secured debt facility with funds managed by [ Pharmakon ] Advisors, under which we borrowed $125 million, allowing us to retire existing debt. With this new debt facility, we also have access to an additional $125 million. We believe that the favorable terms we achieved in these transactions reflect the significant commercial potential of RYTELO and coming off a successful first quarter of commercial launch provide us with critical flexibility to fuel continued growth and investment in our future.

Michelle will provide more details on these transactions and on our Q3 results later on this call.

Let's move on to our commercial development programs. Starting with our pivotal imetelstat Phase III IMPACT MF trial in JAK inhibitor relapsed refractory myelofibrosis. This trial was approximately 70% enrolled as of August 2024. Based on the most recent planning assumptions for enrollment and death rates in the trial we continue to expect an interim analysis in early 2026 as well as a final analysis in early 2017 as the first myelofibrosis Phase III trial with overall survival as the primary endpoint, we believe that if the trial is positive, imetelstat could transform the treatment landscape from this high-end net need patient population with dismal survival, representing a substantial commercial opportunity.

In addition to impact MF, we are exploring the potential of imetelstat across multiple different myeloid hematologic malignancies, which were highlighted in ASH abstracts that were released earlier this week. Say will speak to the new data and to our earlier clinical programs later in the call.

Finally, I'd like to highlight the very significant contributions from our colleagues across the company in these first 4 months of our launch. They executed against our key business objectives with focus and a sense of urgency to deliver RYTELO the patients we're committed to health. We deeply appreciate this commitment as we continue our evolution as a commercial company looking forward to the future. With that, I'll hand the call over to Jim for a commercial update. Jim?

Thank you, Chip, and good morning, everyone. I am honored to join Geron at this important time for the company.

With the U.S. launch of RYTELO, we have an exciting opportunity to improve the lives of patients with lower-risk MDS with transfusion-dependent anemia.

As Chip highlighted, we achieved $28.2 million in Vital net product revenues in our first full quarter of U.S. sales. In the first few months of launch, Demand has increased month-over-month with Q3 performance exceeding our expectations. Demand from launch through Q3 has come from 388 ordering centers which represents approximately 45% of our key targeted accounts.

This strong start reinforces the high unmet need in RYTELO's clinical profile in first-line ESA ineligible and second line plus lower-risk MDS.

Our market research indicates treating physicians appreciate Rytela's differentiated clinical profile in 24-week and 1 year red blood cell transfusion independent rates, median duration of red blood cell transfusion independence and hemoglobin rise. We believe RYTELO's strong clinical data support broad utilization across treatment eligible patient subgroups in both community and academic settings. Patient access is also critical for adoption and uptake and we have achieved significant payer coverage since approval payers responsible for approximately 70% of U.S. covered lives have implemented medical coverage policies for RYTELO that are consistent with its FDA label clinical trials and/or NCCN guidelines.

Additionally, our permanent J code was issued in October 2024 and becomes effective on 1 January 2025. We believe the permanent J code will streamline billing and reimbursement for centers treating patients with RYTELO. I also want to acknowledge questions from investors regarding the trajectory of weekly RYTELO sales as reflected in third-party claims data. We believe that while these claims data may reflect trends in demand that are directionally consistent with what we see internally, there are caveats around this data when we compare them to our own insights, including incomplete weekly data capture.

Also, we remain in the early stages of launch and continue to expect week-to-week fluctuations regardless of the source of sales data. We believe HCPs will continue to utilize RYTELO based on our strong label and NCCN guidelines, positive payer coverage, observations from the field and ongoing market research, including chart reviews. To deliver steady growth, we must execute on several key imperatives, including driving new patients across all eligible segments, particularly in second line, reinforcing the value of an appropriate duration of treatment with HCPs educating HCPs on appropriate platopenia management and leveraging strong payer access supported by the NCCN guidelines and the newly approved J-Code.

From our own internal demand sales data so far, the Rite sales growth trajectory in the fourth quarter continues to be promising. Overall, we remain confident in our launch progress to date Continued demand for RYTELO, expected momentum into 2025 and the projected long-term growth of the brand.

Our #1 commercial priority is to deliver a strong U.S. launch.

We are committed to keeping laser-focused on that objective. We plan to leverage our U.S. launch experience to also prepare for commercialization in select EU countries in 2026 and beyond.

Our goal in Europe is to optimize patient access and revenues for imetelstat in prioritized countries.

As Chip mentioned, subject to receiving regulatory approval we are preparing to commercialize RYTELO in select EU countries in 2026. This includes working with experienced third parties who can provide contracted services, including essential critical path activities such as reimbursement, HTA assessment, market access and distribution.

In summary, I want to acknowledge the dedicated cross-functional teams at Geron for all their hard work to ensure that eligible U.S. patients have broad and timely access to RYTELO. I am inspired by how we have remained focused during this time of transition and I am optimistic in the future.

We are very pleased with the strong demand for RYTELO across community and academic settings, favorable payer coverage policies and broad utilization across patient segments. These early launch dynamics reinforce our expectations for continued demand and promising growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Michelle for a financial update. Michelle

Thanks, Jim, and good morning, everyone.

For detailed Q3 2024 financial results, please refer to the press release we issued this morning, which is available on our website.

We are pleased with our commercial performance this quarter and with securing a synthetic royalty and debt financing announced this morning. I'll bring your attention to key Q3 financial results and then discuss the new royalty and senior term loan agreements.

As of September 30, 2024, we had approximately $378.9 million in cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and marketable securities.

On a pro forma basis, including gross proceeds from the upfront payment under the Royalty Pharma agreement and the first tranche of the Pharmakon loan and after repayment of our existing debt, we had approximately $542.4 million in cash, cash equivalents, restricted cash and marketable securities as of September 30, 2024. Total product revenue net for the 3 and 9 months ended September 30 was $28.2 million and $29 million, respectively. Total net revenue for the 3 months and the 9 months ended September 30, 2024, and was $28.3 million and $29.5 million, respectively, compared to $164,000 and $214,000 for the same period in 2023. The increase in revenue is due to product revenue from U.S. sales of RYTELO, which was available for prescribers to order from specialty distributors as of June 27, 2024.

Total operating expenses for the 3 and 9 months ended September 30 were $56.5 million and $183.1 million, respectively, compared to $47.8 million and $139.9 million for the same period in 2023. Cost of goods sold was approximately 450,000 and $473,000 for the 3 and 9 months ended September 30, 2024, respectively, which consisted of cost to manufacture and distribute RYTELO. Research and development expenses for the 3 months and 9 months ended September 30, 2024, were $20.2 million and $80.3 million, respectively, and $29.4 million and $92.1 million for the same period in 2023. The decrease is primarily due to manufacturing and quality costs that were capitalized in the current period due to FDA approval of RYTELO compared to being expensed in the prior period.

Selling, general and administrative expenses for the 3 and 9 months ended September 30, 2024, were $35.9 million and $102.4 million, respectively, and $18.4 million and $47.7 million for the same periods in 2023. The increase in selling, general and administrative expenses primarily reflects higher commercial launch expenses, increases in head count and related expenses in connection with the U.S. launch of RYTELO.

For fiscal year 2024, we expect total operating expenses to be in the range of approximately $260 million to $270 million.

Finally, we are pleased to announce this morning the closing of synthetic royalty and debt financing with 2 exceptional long-term partners, Royalty Pharma and Pharmacon advisers that provide us with access up to $375 million in capital of which we have received $250 million in gross proceeds.

For a detailed overview of the terms of these financings, please review the press release and the Form 8-K we issued this morning available on our website. These financings strengthened our cash position and further solidify our balance sheet. We provide flexibility to invest in our future and reduce considerably our dependence on the equity capital markets.

First, we have entered into a synthetic royalty agreement with Royalty Pharma, which we believe prioritizes cost of capital and maximizes operating flexibility.

Importantly, our royalties to Royalty Pharma are capped at 1.65x the closing payment of $125 million.

This Royalty Pharma receives that amount by June 30, 2031, or at 2x after that date. In other words, we retain all sales after the hard cap is reached.

Our royalty payments will be 7.75% of net annual U.S. sales of RYTELO, up to $500 million dropping to 3% for sales between $500 million and $1 billion and 1% over $1 billion, which we believe are competitive terms for capped royalty agreements.

Additionally, the agreement allows for optional prepayment of the royalties upon a change in control. We believe this royalty agreement is a very clean and flexible structure with no maturity date mandatory repayments or economic ratchets.

In addition to the transaction with Royalty Pharma, we have entered into a 5-year senior secured term loan with funds managed by Pharmakon Advisors for up to $250 million.

At closing, we drew $125 million under this loan, of which we used $86.5 million to fully repay our existing loans with Hercules and Silicon Valley Bank, which has now been terminated.

We have the ability to draw another $125 million by the end of 2025, of which $75 million will be available at our option and the remaining $50 million available at our option subject to reaching specified revenue threshold. The facility contains no scheduled amortization payments with all outstanding principal due at maturity in 2029 and there are no financial covenants. The loan bears interest at a variable rate per year equals 5.75% plus the 3-month secured overnight financing rate or so far, subject to a super floor of 3%.

We are very pleased with the completion of the nonequity financing transactions on favorable terms. Based on our current operating plans and assumptions, we believe our existing cash, cash equivalents and marketable securities, including the upfront payments received under these agreements and the anticipated revenue from U.S. sales of RYTELO will be sufficient to fund our projected operating requirements for at least the next 12 months from today. allowing us to continue supporting commercial launch of RYTELO in the U.S. and potential launch in the EU, complete the Phase III IMPACT MF trial in relapsed/refractory MF invest in supply chain redundancy for RYTELO and fund our general working capital requirements.

We believe there are scenarios where these financings can take us to profitability without raising future equity capital. Overall, we believe we have a very strong capital position to fuel continued growth of U.S. sales and support critical value drivers for our business. With that, I'll turn the call over to Faye for a medical and clinical update. Faye?

Thanks, Michelle, and hello, everyone. I'd like to start by sharing how meaningful it has been for me and my entire team to hear feedback about the impact of RYTELO in the commercial setting to further motivate our team to develop and deliver imetelstat for patients with myeloid hematologic malignancies. The field medical team has been responding to information requests that support HCPs as they use RYTELO in the commercial setting, in particular around education on cytopenia management and sequencing with other lower-risk MDS treatment.

Today, I will focus on our ASH abstracts released earlier this week, which we believe continue to highlight telomerase inhibition with imetelstat as an important and powerful approach to treating myeloid hematologic malignancies.

For detailed information on the data abstract, please view the press release we issued on Tuesday available on our website or visit the ASH website to view the [ Astra ].

First, I will cover new analyses from the EMERGE clinical trial, suggesting that imetelstat demonstrates clinical activity in patients with lower-risk MDS with transfusion-dependent anemia regardless of prior therapy. Abstract 352, accepted as an oral presentation, pooled for EMERGE Phase II, Phase III and the QTC substudy and evaluate the effect of prior treatment, including ESAs, pospatercept lenalidomide and HMAs on the clinical activity across these patients.

Although we have small numbers in some cases and limited data on outcomes and later lines of treatment, we believe these data have important clinical implications suggesting that these patients experience an RBC transfusion related clinical benefit and improvements in hemoglobin with imetelstat regardless of their prior treatment history. Abstract 4,590 accepted as a poster presentation, reports the first efficacy and safety results from the ventricular repolarization and Merge QTC sub-study conducted per FDA guidance.

As of the data cutoff on May 10, 2024, no clinically meaningful effects of imetelstat on cardiac repolarization or other ECG parameters were observed and no new sites of IMerge.

In this Q2 sub study, efficacy and safety of into debt were comparable to that shown in the overall population of the EMERGE Phase III trial. And notably, response to imetelstat were seen in patients receiving prior treatments, including luspatercept, lenalidomide and HMAs.

The third IMerge abstract, 32.10 accepted as a poster presentation, reports on post hoc analysis of the patient-reported outcome or PRO population, as assessed by validated measures, the functional assessment of chronic illness therapy or factivatige, functional assessment of cancer therapy anemia or FACT AN and the quality of life and matedisplasure scale or QAMs questionnaires.

The sustained improvement in fatigue and maintenance of quality of life and muni symptoms, imetelstat, shown in these analyses are meaningful and very encouraging as we aim to improve outcomes for these patients. [indiscernible], accepted as an oral presentation, reports the first safety results from the dose escalation Part I of the Phase I improve MS clinical trial, in which 13 patients were enrolled as of July 10, 2024. At least 3 patients received each dose level of imetelstat on doses of ruxolitinib or individualized per patient.

No dose-limiting toxicities were observed, and adverse events were consistent with those observed in other clinical trials of imetelstat debt. The pharmacokinetic profile with imetelstat and ruxolitinib in this combination study was similar to previous monotherapy studies. These early results support the potential tolerability of Intelsat of the combination therapy and could inform our future development efforts. Also with regards to improved MS, based on the study's safety evaluation team review of the dose-finding data from Part 1 of the study, we adopted assess unanimous recommendation and progressive 2 of the studies, which is designed to confirm the safety profile of imetelstat 9.4 milligram per kilogram in combination with ruxolitinib.

[indiscernible], submitted by Geron collaborators and accepted as a poster presentation, provide an interim analysis from the Phase II IMPRESS trial, evaluating imetelstat in patients with high-risk MDS or AML, refractory relapsing or intolerant to either azacitidine or decitabine or venetoclax plus azacitidine. In the first part of the trial, none of the 6 high-risk MDS or 17 AML-treated patients reach the primary endpoint visit which was scheduled after 4 cycles of treatment. Short-term transient improvement in hematological values was observed in individual cases in patients on the lower risk MDS dosing schedule of every 4 weeks and imetelstat showed some anti-proliferative effects, including a decline in glass and weakest.

Overall, no new safety signals occurred beyond those already known for imetelstat. Based on the observations in this first cohort, the protocol was amended to a more frequent dosing schedule for a second cohort of patients. that is now being enrolled and treated with a modified schedule starting in August 2024.

Lastly, Abstract 52 submitted by General collaborators unaccepted as an oral presentation shares preclinical data identifying imetelstat invited pheroptosis associated lipidomic alterations in AML cells that correlate with imetelstat treatment responses in vivo. These mechanistic insights may be leveraged to develop optimized therapeutic strategy using imetelstat to target the mediclacytodine resistant AML subclone.

I look forward to keeping you updated on our clinical development progress. And I will now turn the call back over to Chip.

Thanks, Faye. To close, we're obviously very pleased with this quarter's performance and the feedback we're receiving from customers and payers. We're confident in our launch trajectory and opportunity for long-term growth. while recognizing we're only 4 months into this launch.

We have conviction that RYTELO can become part of the standard of care for eligible patients in this high unmet need low-risk MDS treatment paradigm and that it can bring differentiated benefits to patients, both in the U.S. and subject to regulatory approval in the EU.

In addition to lower-risk MDS, we're also looking forward to the readout of our pivotal Phase III IMPACT MF trial in relapsed/refractory MF. We believe that approval of RYTELO in lower-risk MDS in the EU and a positive outcome in the MF trial are key milestones that contribute very significantly to the commercial value proposition for Rite in the future. We'll now open the line for questions. Operator?

[Operator Instructions].

Your first question comes from the line of Tara Bancroft with TB Cowen.

congrats on the great quarter.

So given what you have seen this quarter, we were hoping you could give us a better idea of how you think growth cadence could look over the next few quarters or over the next year? But I'm especially curious how your growth assumptions and even the ultimate market for RYTELO factored into the terms of the royalty deal.

Tara, this is Chip. Could you explain a little bit more what you mean by what factored into the royalty do just for the [indiscernible]?

Like when you were negotiating the deal, how were your assumptions for the ultimate market or growth over the next couple of years kind of factored into that?

Michelle, would you like to take that?

Sure. Well, I think, Jim, why don't we have Jim answer her first question, which is just about how we're thinking about growth over the coming quarters. And then I can comment on the structure.

Jim Ziegler here.

So what we're looking at is and expecting is steady, consistent growth across all of the patient segments.

Specifically, second line in both RS-negative and RS positive, first-line ESA-ineligible and then, of course, the relapsed/refractory third 9-plus patients. We're not giving guidance at this point, but we are expecting steady and consistent growth going forward.

Sure. And I'll take the second one.

First of all, I just want to say that this was an extremely competitive process, and we're very happy with the outcome. We used our current internal forecast and to determine and negotiate the terms, which we were -- again, just very pleased with.

Your next question is from Faisel Khurshid with Leerink Partners.

Just two questions, if you don't mind.

First, just on the royalty percentage rates. Can you just clarify sort of how you think investors should be thinking about the royalty rate as well as the kind of cap multiplier on that.

I think the rate seems like it starts out a little bit higher than typical royalty deals then kind of comes lower? And then if you could just clarify your cash on expectations.

Sure. Thanks, Faisal.

So I mean, I'm not going to comment on other transactions that have been done with Royalty Pharma, again, very competitive. We're very happy that it is a cap royalty deal at the $1.65 is achieved by a certain date.

And so we think that the rate is competitive from what we've seen. But again, I think that our focus is on that cap of 1.65%. And based on our current plans and meeting our internal revenue projections, we feel pretty confident that we can reach that prior to peak sales.

[indiscernible].

On the cash runway, as I mentioned in my script, there are scenarios where we feel that these 2 transactions can take us to breakeven, again, based on our current plan that would mean meeting our internal revenue, our OpEx projections over the next several years. And we feel that we could reach breakeven without needing additional equity financing.

One of our goals of this these transactions was to not fall below 12 months of cash, as I said, in Q2. And just to clarify, these 2 transactions allow us to maintain 12 months of cash going forward. again, based on our current revenue expectations and OpEx projections.

So we're not saying we have 12 months of cash because I know previously we talked about cash into Q2 of 2026. What we're saying is that we can maintain that 12 months of cash, which has always been one of our goals not to fall below 12 months.

Yes, it makes sense. And then just to clarify your comments.

So you're saying that your kind of internal assumptions are that you kind of trip the multiple like on the earlier side.

Yes. If we meet our current internal revenue projections, yes.

Next question is from Corinne Jenkins with Goldman Sachs.

You did mention that you expect to see kind of steady growth over the coming quarters, but could you clarify a little bit about what that means to you? Is that in terms of like absolute number of patient growth or the growth rate.

Just a little clarification would be helpful there. And then in terms of the patients that you're seeing come on to therapy, are these primarily second-line or third-line patients? And what portion of them has previously been rubles at this stage?

Corinne, this is Jim Ziegler. Again, we're not providing guidance, but in terms of our growth. What we expect is growth across all patient segments in both the academic and community setting. And what we provided on this earnings call is that 388 of our targeted accounts have ordered.

So that's the breadth. Over time, what we're expecting is obviously to increase the breadth and depth of prescriptions are prescribing for patients across these accounts.

So I'll just reinforce that we're seeing uptake in utilization across all patient segments, including first line, ESA ineligible.

Second line and then third line patients at this point.

Your next question comes from the line of Carter Gould with Barclays.

Maybe start off just one or two housekeeping questions. Can you spell out any impact from inventory in the quarter and as well as you're providing patient start numbers, that would be helpful. And then maybe just a follow-up on a prior question. The breadth of centers with ordering is impressive. And I guess what I'm -- but I guess with our back of the envelope math, it does suggest that the depth of prescribing is still very much in its early stages. Can you talk a little bit about what this implies around how centers are sort of experimenting with the product and then adopting and maybe if that argues against Ebolas and any commentary there would be helpful.

Great. Thanks, Carter. Jim Ziegler.

So in terms of inventory, typically in buy and bill, what we see is between 2 and 4 weeks of inventory, and we're right in that range.

So that's consistent with what we would expect.

In terms of the breadth and depth questions, we're still relatively early in launch. This is our first full quarter.

And so your observations are correct. Early on, we're seeing the breadth physicians are getting experience. And then over time, we expect to see depth in these accounts and continued breadth going forward.

In terms of bolus, the way we think about it is there's still a high unmet need. RYTELO gives patients another treatment option.

We expect consistent steady growth. We within John did not model a bolus.

We expected steady and consistent growth and early in launch, that's what we're seeing.

And the patient starts number, are you guys providing that?

Yes. I'm not -- as you know, Carter, on the patient start in the buy and bill market, we don't get that hard data in the way you might with other markets.

So the way to think about it is, if you take the total milligrams that were sold, divided by your assumption on average patient wait time, 7.1 starting dose, that would give you the range. of patients, but what it doesn't account for specifically is new patients versus continuing patients or dose interruptions or dose reduction.

So that's why we're not going to give that going forward because it's not a clean number. It's a calculated number.

Your next question is from Emily Bodnar with H.C. Wainright.

Congrats on a good quarter. I guess, maybe if you can discuss some of the initial real-world experience in terms of benefit on transfusion reductions and also on the safety profile. Are you kind of seeing the data in line with the EMERGE study. And then curious how [indiscernible] kind of transitioning more into the first-line setting has impacted the launch, if at all? And if you're seeing more patients previously treated with this [indiscernible] in the first line?

It's Jim again. I'll take the first part of the question, and maybe Faye can also jump in. It's still relatively early in launch in much of the insights that we get from the field and from market research like our patient chart audits. What I would share right now is that performance and real-world sort of experiences are consistent with clinical trials. But again, it's still relatively early on in March. And then in terms of luspatercept in the first line. Based upon their label on the commands, I expect that trial that they will compete and compete for that first-line patient against ESA as you know. And regardless of whether that first-line patient is on ESA or at least patercept, we expect that our differentiated product profile will allow us to become standard of care in second line. And we still have that first-line ESA ineligible patient population, which is about 10% that we expect to compete for as well.

This is Faye.

Just to add any for which I was saying. It's still early, but [indiscernible] what we are hearing from the field is that the community of providers are comfortable managing these cytopenias and our overall enthusiastic and excited to use RYTELO for their -- and have this option for their patients.

Your next question is from Stephen Willey with Stifel.

Congrats on the progress. I was wondering if you could just maybe talk a little bit about the split that you're seeing. I know it's early in terms of data that you guys are getting. But just in terms of the utilization split between academics and community prescribers, and then you mentioned your review of chart audits in terms of informing how current utilization trends are looking. Can you talk about just how the dose management to address the cytopenias that occurred typically during the first few cycles is playing out in the real world data just relative to IMerge. And then I just have a follow-up for Michelle.

Sure. Stephen, Jim Ziegler again. The split between community and academic is 65, 35 or roughly 2/3, 1/3. And then right now, what we're hearing from our physicians in both field observations as well as our market research is that cytopenia management is well understood. There aren't major concerns, and I would expect that the real-world cytopenia management is at least as good as it is and the clinical trials. And we have a lot of personal, nonpersonal efforts to help support appropriate cytopenia management associated with RYTELO.

Okay. And then maybe for Michelle. I know you've kind of given kind of longer-term gross to net guidance in the mid-teens range.

Just curious if you could give us a gross to net number for the quarter. And then also, obviously, the royalty transaction will impact cost of goods going forward. But just curious if you can kind of give us a steady state cost of goods assumption that excludes the impact of the royalty.

Yes, sure.

So we have continued to guide on the gross to net in kind of the mid double digits. And that's what it was. That's what we ended in the third quarter. I believe it was -- you can do the math around -- so we expect that to slightly go up as we -- the volume increases, and we review the mix, the 340B mix. But we continue to guide on the mid-double digits. And then on COGS, I mean, obviously, we're not guiding on specific COGS. But once we get out of sort of this inventory that had already been expensed, we anticipate our fully loaded COGS to be middle -- mid-single digits going forward.

Next question is from Kalpit Patel with B. Riley Securities.

Maybe first for Michelle. I guess can you elaborate on why the royalty and debt structure was chosen over maybe a simpler equity raise, especially given the current market cap of the company what specific considerations you made this approach more preferable?

Sure. Thanks, Kalpit.

So again, the transaction, this is a result of an extremely competitive process. We had options across both debt and royalty structures and those ranged in various sizes and terms. Based on the terms that were available to us, we thought carefully about how much debt to take on so that we could pay off our current debt that we have with Hercules that had unfavorable terms, which we did pay off once we received the funds from Pharmacon.

And then just the amount of sales to retain in the early launch period, and we felt that this struck the right balance. And again, this reduces our dependency on the equity markets, which was the goal of ours was to not further dilute the stock.

Okay. Got it. And then maybe in the data that you're seeing so far, do you have an early sense of what the month-over-month adherence rates or continuation rates are for these patients who started treatment. How consistent is that with the clinical trials?

This is Jim again. It's still relatively early. I'm not comfortable given any data at this point. But obviously, it's something that we're trying to assess through a number of different mechanisms. But for right now, anecdotally, what I would say is that we expect month-over-month treatment to be more consistent with clinical trials. And then over time, we're obviously aspiring to have better management over time.

The next question comes from Gil Blum with Needham & Company.

Congrats on very impressive first quarter of sales.

So just a couple from us.

Now that you have the additional capital. Is there a plan on further investing on expanding sales in the U.S., for example? Or really, this is just about keeping that 12 months busbar? And my other question is regarding assumptions on profitability, which you've mentioned. Do you think that includes potential in myelofibrosis?

Michelle, why don't you go ahead and star?

Sure. Yes. Thanks, Gil.

So the reason why we chose this hybrid structure is for the flexibility.

So as you recall, we took down the first $250 million. We still have access to another $125 million. really, we looked at our strategy around redundancy and second supplier for RYTELO and that has always been extremely important to us. This now allows us to invest and get ready for a second supplier and for redundancy in our drug substance. It also allows us to continue to support the U.S. commercialization of RYTELO.

And -- but all of those costs for commercialization are in our current plans in the U.S. But it allows us to also start spending some capital on preparing for a potential EU launch. And as you mentioned, it's -- we retain more than 12 months of cash going forward. And then [indiscernible].

Regarding assumptions on profitability and if they include myelofibrosis.

Well, there -- I mean, there are scenarios where the financing takes us to breakeven with just low-risk MDS and with myelofibrosis, again, based on our current plans and our internal revenue and OpEx projections. But yes, we do include in our internal revenue projections.

[Operator Instructions]. This will conclude the question-and-answer session. I will turn the call to Aron for closing remarks.

Thanks so much, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in Geron and look forward to keeping you updated during this very exciting time for our company. Thank you.

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